Total moral bankruptcy on display
The heartless religion of http://www.youtube.com/Theguythossen
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I never said He … I never said He sets things up so there is nobody around. The question about why this person and not that person is way older than either of us and I don't have the answer. I just live my life the best I can and understand that God is ultimately in control. I will have to wait until I stand before Him to find the answer to that question. On the other hand if you are right and there is no God then none of it matters anyway so either way stop freaking out about it.
Sometimes there's … Sometimes there's nobody around? If I've understood you correctly, you've acknowledged that God, at times, sets things up so that there is the possibility of intervention. So he evidently has no problem with doing that. Given that he is able to, and also willing to, why would he refrain from doing this in some cases? Why is this person killed, but not that person? Why is this person mugged, but not that person?
He may not … He may not intervene all of the time, but He does not cause these terrible things to happen. He doesn't make decisions for you or anyone else and sometimes there is nobody around to intervene that is just the way it is.
Well, I hope you'll … Well, I hope you'll also answer my question. You implied that God arranges things (has events in place) so that there will indeed be interventions — in some cases. So wouldn't it follow that he also arranges things so that, at times, there is also a distinct lack of intervention — a total non-intervention even when the most heinous offenses are committed? Doesn't God make that happen as well?
Do you really want … Do you really want God to strip away all of your choices and make life happy all the time? It does not work that way. You are bitter because of what happened to you and I understand. But you survived and seem to be doing fairly well. Bad things happened to me too, but I know God got me through them. I never expected him to intervene, but rather just get me through them. You want him to be the personal bodyguard for everyone and it just does not work like that.
Sure.
"My … Sure.
"My questions to you would be what if God had events in place so I would be there at that moment and be in a position to intervene. God does not have to personally intervene in every situation to accomplish what He wants."
Doesn't that mean God also has "events in place" so that nobody intervenes when people are raped, abused, murdered, etc.? And since he doesn't intervene, either himself or via an intermediary, doesn't that mean "what He wants" is indeed rape, abuse, murder, etc.?
Do you only read … Do you only read the first sentence and nothing else? Do I need to make every sentence a different comment? Try answering one of my questions for a change.
So you actually … So you actually have lower moral standards for your god than you do for human beings? Inaction, in that situation, while inexcusable for people, is excusable for God?
I would think them … I would think them a coward. But that does not answer my question about me or someone else being put in that situation by God in order to help people.
"Of course I do. … "Of course I do. Even if I would be at great risk I would still intervene."
What would you think of someone who chose not to, given the opportunity?
Of course I do. … Of course I do. Even if I would be at great risk I would still intervene. My questions to you would be what if God had events in place so I would be there at that moment and be in a position to intervene. God does not have to personally intervene in every situation to accomplish what He wants.
The freedom to … The freedom to abuse your family is not more important than the consequences of losing the freedom to abuse your family.
Hypothetical question for you: Suppose you're walking through the park one day, when you see a pedophile about to attack a young girl. You have a weapon and can confront him at little risk to yourself. Do you intervene?
Living in a world … Living in a world without the choice to be good or evil is not free. You simply don't want to see it that way because you will fight to the death to support your weak position. Your mom chose not to leave an abusive man, same as mine. But it was her choice and she chose poorly. God didn't do this, your mom and your dad did. Besides what did you want God to do really? What would have made you happy? If he had struck the guy dead would that have been up to your standards?
You present a false … You present a false dichotomy. A world where abuse, crime and so on are prevented does not equate to "no freedom or choice".
In fact, what you're saying here is that a world where the worst abuses and crimes take place is objectively better than a world where they do not take place. How can you possibly defend that?
The god you follow, if it existed, would be a god that allows people to be raped and murdered when he could have prevented it. Following this God makes you a lousy person.
So I guess you want … So I guess you want no freedom or choice. What a terrible existence.
I don't follow God because I have to, I do it because I want to, and that choice is everything. If pain is the price for having that choice I gladly pay it. I guess you are just so weak that you want all choices made for you so you never have any problems. How sad. Life is hard because people make bad choices, but not having those choices is much worse.
Because the law ( … Because the law (and its enforcement) is not all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful and omnipresent. God, however, allegedly is. And that confers a responsibility to act. A refusal to act is as negligent and reprehensible as a police officer who witnesses a robbery in progress and does nothing.
The only reason … The only reason laws keep anyone from doing something is because they choose to obey them. Murder is against the law and people are murdered all the time because some people choose not to obey the law. The law simply imposes consequences for breaking it, but it doesn't restrict freedom until the crime is committed. And if you are right why did the law not stop what happened to you?
"No I would not … "No I would not because every time God intervenes he removes a little bit of freedom. The man you refer to had a choice to be a good guy or an evil abusive man, unfortunately he chose the latter."
If that's the case, then why are there laws against such behavior? Does that not also remove a person's freedom to abuse their family? It does. That's actually the entire point. Preventing people from being abused is more important than allowing the freedom to abuse them.
No I would not … No I would not because every time God intervenes he removes a little bit of freedom. The man you refer to had a choice to be a good guy or an evil abusive man, unfortunately he chose the latter. While it sounds good to stop this behavior eventually we end up as mindless robots with no choice of our own. Atheists talk about how important freedom and choice are so I think you of all people would appreciate this. As painful as it may have been the price for constant intervention is just too great.
There is no reason … There is no reason for you to defend a god that would allow such a thing. Why do you think that's okay? If you yourself had the power to easily stop domestic abuse at no risk to yourself, wouldn't you step in and do something about it? And if not, why not? What could possibly justify your refusal to act when you could have done something?
Your mom should … Your mom should have left when it happened the first time. Just like mine should have left as well. But this is no reason to blame God for you parents mistakes. I want to know what you would have had God do. Kill your dad? Teleport you away? Maybe the answer was for your mom to leave and it took her 8 years to do it. Other than the fact that you went gay, you seem to have made it okay. So what is your problem? Boo-hoo lifes hard. Yeah, get over it.
Damn, that was … Damn, that was awesome. Sums up my feelings completely.
Right on!!!! Right on!!!!
Amun Ra! Amun Ra!
The fact that I'm … The fact that I'm hugely attracted to you does not gross me out; the fact that I'm 32 years OLDER than you grosses me out to no end.
Have much love, pretty lady, and please always protect your biological prerogatives.